How hard can it be?

During the 10 months the ‘new’ APC has been in existence there seems to be a distinct lack of co-operation between some new councillors. An awful lot of time is spent bickering about minor points instead of discussing the agenda, consequently at least 30% of parish business is unfinished.                                                                                                      No councillor in particular is to blame for this state of affairs, it’s just the inability of councillors to gel together and work for the benefit of the parish. It could be due to inexperience, over eagerness and/or poor leadership but the blame game does not work and has no place in parish council business..                                                                         We had years and years of political point scoring, arguments, verbal abuse and complaints to the previous Monitoring Officer and although we won’t see a re-run of the previous shambolic parish council it shouldn’t be difficult for 15 people to work together. People who stated they wanted the best for Anston and to move on from the past.             How hard can it be?

At Anston Parish Council meetings there is one agenda-which councillors receive well in advance. It is not an invitation to councillors to pursue their version of the agenda and nitpick or quarrel with opposing points of view and opinions.                                               (The same rules apply to members of the public who also attend APC meetings)

Healthy debate is part of and necessary in a democratic society and we should welcome that but the agenda and council business should be at the forefront of councillors minds.                                                                                                                                                 How hard can it be?

 

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34 Responses to How hard can it be?

  1. Anonymous says:

    As this comment may be construed as putting me in a good light I am requesting anonymous this once. There are a lot of misinformed comments printed here and no knowledge of what APC is responsible for. There are at least 2 cllrs who regularly pick up after irresponsible dog foulers but do not advertise and many more giving time to improving this parish. Please direct litter and fouling to Street Pride as RMBC is responsible, they have cut back on front line staff and now are hoping the public will take up the slack before Anston disappears under piles of you know what.
    If anyone has any specific suggestions please show up at a council meeting, and stop griping on and all the while telling APC what they are not doing. Please let us all pull together to make Anston a better village.

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  2. miss f sales says:

    Was going to have a look at being a parish councilor but after looking at the videos all the arguments it put me off anston pc needs to look into its self and find common ground where business can be done in a proper order I am sure this will serve the community fare better an restore public confidence

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  3. reg says:

    How can anston parish council work in harmony when like the last council as a servere management problem or lack of this is reflected clearly at meetings leadership is at an all time low it is clear some cllrs are trying to move on others find this difficult has a result the parish is suffering from poor maintenance ie litter dog fouling grass cutting in fact anston is on a real down slide if the management problems carry on there’s no way back

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  4. Peter says:

    This post is about working together not hitting the council with a big stick at the moment this is not happening not finishing business at meetings is holding back the parish and it is true that in fighting is common place and not help full it is clear that there is a power stugle once again not helpful and you won’t to change the rules on here well we vote so please listen I believe that’s what most people won’t

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  5. Peter says:

    Thanks to all cllrs that have took time out litter picking it seems there’s alot of in fighting this is not the way forward the new council promised a new start this as not been the case pulling posts apart is not helping at all if you wish to sit as a cllrs then respect the voting public or loss respect and your seats

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    • Watchman says:

      The range and quality of TV programmes must be unusually crap tonight.

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    • Mick Colman says:

      I am sorry admin but this is total unadulterated rubbish. There is a spurt of anonymous posters on here determined to undermine all Independent Councillors. Genuine posters will say who they are. Others obviously are afraid to do this. Peter????? who’s this then?
      It is getting to the stage where NO ANONYMOUS POSTS hold any credibility whatsoever. Waste of time & effort. Time your rules were changed before this turns into farce, much like certain members try to turn meetings into. It’s getting a bit boring proving these morons wrong time and time again. You must have the URL’s, sort this out. This forum is being used to beat Independent Councillors with a big stick while praising Councillors of other political beliefs. IT IS NOT ON!!!!

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    • Watchman says:

      I have to strike the balance between right of reply,legitimate comments and trolling-it’s not easy!
      I have binned Peter’s comment because it offered nothing to the debate and was just an attack on the integrity of some APC councillors.
      it looks like I’ll have to repeat myself:
      Valid criticism is part of democratic debate, attacking councillors for their political views is not.
      Either comment on the thread and make alternative suggestions or stay away from your keyboards.

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    • brian says:

      Just out of interest which members try to turn meetings into a farce, is it the ones who constantly harangue and aggressively argue with members of the public. Which morons do you want to prove wrong? Members of the public? Maybe the ‘ independent ‘ councillors are being ‘ beaten with a big stick ‘ because their beliefs are against the public interest. Maybe the councillors of other political persuasions have the community at heart.

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    • Watchman says:

      Whilst your comment raises some valid questions I am not going to allow any individual APC councillor to be verbally abused or be subjected to name calling on here.
      Political party loyalties have no place in parish politics and it is exactly these entrenched attitudes that prevent the parish council from working as a cohesive group.
      How hard can it be?

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  6. S Thornton says:

    It seems that I have yet another “fan”. Have you noticed that “james”, just like all the others, only has a go when they dont have to give their name. Whilst you and all the others hide like cowards behind false names, your comments and posts will never have any credibility .
    I can assure you that non of the Councillors are scared of me, and I challenge you to name the person or persons you refer to. But you wont do that because you hide behind behind false names and are a coward.

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    • james says:

      My posts would have credibility on a credible site. I praise Cllr Colman on his understanding of simple mathematics. Well done. At no point did I doubt the legality of the meeting. Anyway enjoy your blathering. Do not be so quick to defend yourselves as people may think you have some guilt to defend. As long as all standing orders are complied with in all dealings of the council people should be happy. Thanks for your time, this is my last post on this thread as it has become tiresome and rather boring. Goodnight.

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    • Mick Colman says:

      Seems like James has admitted defeat. Typical cowards action. When proved wrong do the disappearing act. Bye bye Sid.

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  7. Insider says:

    From the reports I’ve had back last Monday’s Meeting (21st March) was slightly better in terms of the number of agenda items discussed and agreed on. Was this because only 8 councillors attended or was it because Vice Chairman Drew Tarmey was chairing the meeting?
    Or both?
    The atmosphere at APC meetings is improved beyond recognition when compared to the previous Labour led administration’s conduct and continued barracking and shouting.
    It is to be hoped that all APC councillors are prepared to work for the interests of the residents of Anston and maybe in another few months they will work as a team.

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    • Mick Colman says:

      There were actually nine Councillors at the meeting including Drew who as Vice Chairman Chaired the meeting in Clives absence and did a fantastic job. I can only speak for myself when I say that I am already “prepared to work for the interests of the residents of Anston” and have been since I became a member however as for “working as a team” I am afraid that I cannot see this happening in the foreseeable future. If anyone wants to know why I say this then I ask them to ask themselves two questions. 1) Why was last Mondays meeting probably the best behaved and most productive that many people can remember? and 2) Who was NOT at the meeting. Then perhaps you can draw your own conclusions.

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    • james says:

      I suppose some may say that as only roughly half the council were present it was not a true representation of democracy. I know all councillors could have attended but they do have other commitments sometimes.
      Anyway I am sure the parish hall echoed with the sounds of ‘all hail the great thornton, we will not doubt you or question you’ .

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    • Watchman says:

      It would be better for everyone if you didn’t feel the need to add snide remarks to your comment.
      Do you feel better for it?

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    • Mick Colman says:

      This is APC Standing order seven which presumably was decided democratically. 7 ► No business may be transacted at a meeting unless at least one third of the whole number of members of the Council are present and in no case shall the quorum of a meeting be less than three. Just for the benefit of James, 9/15ths is more that 1/3rd and 9 is definitely more than 3. So therefore James the meeting was legal and a true representation of democracy. The absence of those six Councillors was not the fault of the nine Councillors present.

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    • james says:

      Snide maybe, but it did make me chuckle. It does seem that some 6 or 7 councillors are too scared to cross Cllr Thornton. This does not promote healthy debate and does not serve the people of Anston.

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    • Watchman says:

      Your stupid assertions do nothing to add to the debate.
      Either post valid comments or be blocked. Your choice.

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    • Mick Colman says:

      Please don’t block James. It is fun proving him not only wrong in his views but stupid to think that any Councillor is scared of any other Councillor. I would like to remind James that being an Anston Parish Councillor is not only an UNPAID position but a position that I or any other Councillor can simply walk away from…TOMORROW. I suggest that James and other like minded contributors on here grow up. The Independent Councillors including Stuart Thornton are all working for the good of Anston and its residents. People like James want him and us to fail. Put a full and genuine name to your posts James, lets see if you have the balls to back your own claims.

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    • Watchman says:

      I’m afraid ‘james’ is another keyboard warrior and a poorly educated one.
      People who resort to insults and stupid remarks show they lack a proper understanding of our beautiful English language and also a complete lack of knowledge of forum etiquette.
      Perhaps he thinks he’s talking to his silly mates on Twitter?
      Another Judy Dalton?

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  8. jay jay says:

    Oh boy, do I ever agree with this article! It left me in total despair I must admit.

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  9. Veritas. says:

    I agree 100% with the views expressed by the author.
    Anston Parish Councillors do not appear to have made any major impact on how the PC works nor is there any evidence of improvements to either the parish or the local environment.
    For example; how long has the issue of Crowgate been on the agenda? Why is’n’t the proposed skatepark any nearer to being built?
    Having attended 6 or 7 APC meetings since last May the only difference I can see is a more pleasant atmosphere between councillors instead of the continued barracking by Messrs. Burton,Dalton,Beck and St.John.
    There is no doubt about it, APC needs to buck up and move into the 21st century by being more professional and sticking to the agenda instead of being sidetracked by petty arguments and loud interruptions from the two contractors who I might add, depend on APC for the majority of their work. Don’t bite the hand that feeds you is my advice.

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    • Very concerned resident says:

      You all go on about putting your name first but yet watchman and insider also veritas are not identifying themselves .
      It was very nice to see Dave Smith and Brian Lewis litter picking in Anston , where were Anston parish Councillors ? Probably sat at home writing on this site lol
      Whilst Anston Parish paid staff drive past watching Dinnington Councillors clean our streets.
      WELL DONE Cllrs Smith and Lewis.
      As for the hand that feeds you to be said about our contractors, that we as Anston residents rely on whilst most Cllrs and staff are sat at home ( out of hours cover is crucial )..
      So has a Council I think you should think twice about the hand that feeds you as it could be you that gets bit 😎

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    • Watchman says:

      very concerned resident:you have gone off topic. Stop right there.
      The thread is about teamwork, not whether posters use an alias or your ill-informed comments about APC contractors and staff.
      Why do you and others of your ilk find it so difficult to offer positive and practical suggestions?
      Is it because you don’t have any?

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    • jeremy says:

      For a very concerned resident. I do agree with you. Thanks to cllrs Smith and Lewis. My only addition to this is that I did see Councillor Jonathan Ireland litter picking along Nursery Road. Well done to him.

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    • Mick Colman says:

      Where should I start in tearing apart Very concerned residents post? I think I will just start at the top and work down. 1) Watchman, Insider & Veritas have not mentioned or complained on this thread about contributors using alias’. 2) Watchman, Insider & Veritas use alias’ so does Very concerned resident. Complaining about others using alias’ when you do so yourself is quite frankly laughable. 3) I agree It was very nice to hear that Dave Smith and Brian Lewis were litter picking in Anston however a) I didn’t see them, b) I knew nothing about it and, c) Dinnington has an RMBC employee to pick the litter up for them, we don’t. 4) I can’t speak for other Councillors but most of my posts are done at night, was the litter picking done in the dark then? 5) Anston Parish staff are not paid to pick up litter, so presumably you want them be paid by Anston residents but walk away from their jobs to volunteer to pick up your rubbish? 6) Anston Parish contractors are well paid for what they do, how many of them did you see voluntarily picking up your rubbish? 7) Anston Parish Council is certainly not the hand that feeds me, in fact, as I have said before it actually costs ME money to put up with the likes of you. You may well be a very concerned resident but believe me I am a very concerned Councillor, concerned about the total lack of appreciation for the time and effort that I put in trying to help this village and its residents recover from the abomination that was your previous Council. So there you have it, yet another anonymous poster trying to run the Independent members of the Council down. Maybe we should all just walk away and leave Anston in the hands of RMBC. Then some of you might get what you deserve.

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    • Mick Colman says:

      Jeremy whoever you are, I have only one word to say to your post. ELECTIONEERING! If you or anyone else can’t see that then you make blind Pew look like Hawkeye.

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  10. Mick Colman says:

    Where have you been in bringing this up???? I can write a book about this (maybe I will) It is now half past twelve at night so now is probably not the time. I will say this though, I have had the dubious pleasure of being one of the new independent Councillors that you mention and in my honest opinion the whole Council set up is wrong, wrong, wrong. Everything is done wrong. Simple things are made difficult, difficult things are made impossible. Things need changing QUICKLY or this Council will fail. Just to say that this post has been written by COUNCILLOR MICK COLMAN. Whoever doesn’t like this…. TOUGH ****. If you are a Councillor who doesn’t like this then YOU ARE A PART OF THE PROBLEM. Get your act together…NOW. We are supposed to be acting on behalf of the residents of Anston. STOP ACTING ON BEHALF OF YOURSELF and stop complaining about free speech on this, or any other forum. WHAT ARE WE GOING TO SAY THAT YOU AFRAID OF ? I will reply to the original blog in due course.

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    • Very concerned citizen says:

      Very pleased to hear that Jonathan Ireland was litter picking I didn’t see him
      Well done Jonathan
      Thanks Jeremy for letting us know 😄

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    • Very concerned citizen says:

      Dear mick
      Am sorry to have upset you but it really brings out the rudeness in you, I am only a rate payer who has shown a little concern, is this how you treat your fellow Councillors when you don’t agree, if so then I too would miss the odd meeting, if you have the lack of confidence in the public then perhaps you should walk away 😉

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    • Watchman says:

      I’ve allowed your comment because you have the right to reply but I won’t publish anymore posts about individual councillors.
      One more time: Stick to the topic or comments will be binned.

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    • Mick Colman says:

      Where should I start tearing very concerned citizen’s post apart? I think I will start at the top and work down. 1) It will take more that you have to offer to upset me. 2) Please explain rudeness. 3) Rates is not paid by residential citizens of Anston, do you mean Council Tax? The same Council Tax that this Council has frozen for the next year? 4) Why have you not told us of your concerns? 5) Please explain the alleged mistreatment you say I have dealt out to my fellow Councillors that caused them to miss Council meetings. 6) Please demonstrate my alleged lack of confidence in public. 7) Are you related to Very concerned resident? 8) Are you related to Jeremy? 9) Are you related to James? 10) Don’t you realise that I enjoy this? 11) Do you realise that the admin knows the source of almost all contributors on this forum? Grow up and get a life Matey. Your false accusations and lies don’t fool anyone on here.

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